A hedge fund sleuth who seeks only the truth

Conference Manager Joyce Meng's FACT Capital is proof that the existing Wall Street model could be wildly improved upon.

Vesna Poljak

A hedge fund sleuth who seeks only the truth

November 29, 2021
Conference Manager Joyce Meng's FACT Capital is proof that the existing Wall Street model could be wildly improved upon.
Read Transcript

Many years ago, Joyce Meng asked herself: how would someone design a hedge fund if they had no pre-conceived idea how a hedge fund was supposed to look?

Her FACT Capital is both the product of that curiosity, and the proof that the existing Wall Street model could be wildly improved upon.

FACT (fairness, alignment, compounding, transparency) marked the two-year anniversary of its long-short strategy in September, meaning it catapulted almost straight from inception into the COVID-19 crisis. Having returned 61.4 per cent after fees since September 2019 to the end of October 2021, Meng does not dispute it was hard work to earn her numbers.

This year, while Wall Street has broken records, about 40 per cent of FACT’s book is in China, where a policy push for common prosperity has dissuaded some foreign investors of a more skittish nature. Another 40 per cent is in US stocks and the rest of the world represents about 20 per cent.

All up, it only carries about 20 long exposures, which is how it managed to outperform with not just a preference for high conviction ideas, but hyper-specificity on every level in its preferred areas of technology, consumer and health care.

“Our approach to investing is very micro thematic in nature,” says Meng, speaking from New York ahead of her first appearance at the Sohn Hearts & Minds investment conference on Friday.

There is not a lot of value, she argues, in themes, when everything is a theme: disruption, ageing, luxury. A rising tide may lift all boats, as the saying goes, but micro themes will thrive even in low tide.

“You want to find the best house in the best neighbourhood,” she says. A theme is “useless”.

A FACT micro theme could be venture capital-backed biopharma companies that drive more outsourcing to contract research organisations and contract development and manufacturing organisations. Another is growth in Chinese cybersecurity investment. About 10 micro themes are represented in the 20 longs.

A micro theme may only capture five to 15 companies. One of her largest positions is the Nasdaq-traded ICON plc, an Irish drug and medical device development outsourcer which is up 42 per cent this year.

FACT bought in around February when it acquired PRA Health Sciences for $US12 billion when there were some doubts about the merits of the deal.

It previously owned clinical research outsourcer PPD, which was acquired by Thermo Fisher Scientific in April for $US17.4 billion in cash. From there it rotated into ICON, having already done its homework on the business. And in China, it owns the Hong Kong-listed WuXi Biologics (at least a three-bagger for the fund having backed it since inception).

With transparency in mind, her investors can log-in to FACT and see not just performance and positions, but the entire research library behind every idea, including the 100 channel checks that might sit behind a stock.

Team profit share is 20 to 25 per cent a person, made possible because of FACT’s small size.

“Our number one most important cultural value is intellectual honesty. And intellectual honesty is very specific,” Meng says.

That extends to how FACT allocates its time, by defining the scope of the stocks that it follows, enabling Meng and FACT’s analysts to make fewer but higher quality decisions and eliminate the risk of loss.

Nobody pitches internally, and the long-short strategy cannot claim a performance fee unless it generates 33 per cent over three years (meaning 10 per cent a year for three successive periods).

When it comes to arriving at a potential idea, it must first survive an exhaustive checklist that keeps the size of the portfolio necessarily tight.

“You really can focus on your time, which is your most precious resource, on areas where the hit rate on individual stock goes up because the broader neighbourhood is just seeing such strong, strong opportunities,” she says.

Growth, a favourable market structure, and strong capital allocation are the fundamentals of a good business in Meng’s mind.

FACT has about 210 companies that meet its quality growth, market structure and capital allocation criteria on file. From there, it will need a 10-year cash flow profile, “just to really understand the runway” and ensure the valuation stacks up.

Next, it needs positive earnings revisions because “stocks don’t work if earnings estimates are getting cut, if people are lowering expectations – even if it’s a good business”.

Exceptional companies can keep growing into their earnings, getting cheaper every year. She cites how WuXi added a vaccine platform to its capabilities. “Maybe TAM (total addressable market) goes up, maybe revenues go up, maybe they enter new business lines, maybe they’ve done very smart M&A.”

Those are the fruits of smart capital allocation.

On the other hand, if a stock is in a downgrade cycle it simply means the stock is more expensive than it appears at face value. Finally, when it comes to sizing, the manager evaluates forecast stability and cyclicality.

“I call models moodles. Sometimes, you could change the outcome so much, depending on your mood. So, if you have a company where there’s an incredibly wide distribution around your point estimate, it becomes very hard to have conviction.”

Meng believes that a good business is a forecastable business, so FACT does not expend much energy or capital in commodity producers. “How am I supposed to know what commodity prices, interest rates, look like three years from now? Exactly. So, no, we like forecastable businesses.”

Meng’s short portfolio might examine where FACT’s revenue estimates differ to consensus, the presence of insider selling, competitive intensity, and always, potential catalysts. She will never short on valuation grounds.

“This is a tough business, it’s incredibly humbling. We’re so grateful for this opportunity to invest. And I love this job. I feel so privileged to be able to do it. But ... we have to earn the privilege to run our LPs’ capital.”

On the topic of regulatory risk, FACT has been particularly sensitive to the political climate in China. "For investing in China, paying attention to regulation is incredibly important. One of our team members is based in Asia, all three of us are Mandarin speakers, we care very much on trying to find aligned areas of interest with the government, and we’ve lived through many regulatory cycles.

“Our view is that China is never as good as people think it is, and then it’s also never as bad as people think it is.”

With her investor’s instinct, China is too large to ignore on account of size, market depth, research and innovation, and it tends to be a helpful macroeconomic counterpoint to the US cycle. Next year, the US Federal Reserve will be tightening, while China could see looser policy and moderate stimulus.

Another micro theme the strategy has pursued is the onshoring of Chinese luxury consumption. Hainan for example, an island in southernmost China, is often compared to Hawaii for its marriage of coastline with luxury shopping. FACT owns China Tourism Duty Free, which has a monopolistic grip on the Chinese market, but whose share price has been beholden to the health of the travel industry.

Returning to the concept of intellectual honesty, when a position goes wrong, Meng says the outcome should be, “I made a mistake, let’s cut risk”. But that’s not always possible in an environment where investments are made by committee, or egos rule, she says.

“We only care about what the portfolio does, we’re only going to grow and be successful if every single one of our ideas is top notch.”

Meng is also the co-founder of Givology; as a Rhodes scholar, she wanted to “give back” in college, but didn’t have deep pockets. The platform has been innovative in its own right and similar to FACT in its selection of deliberate and purposeful causes.

FACT is based near Rockefeller Centre, home of New York City’s best Christmas tree. “We love it during the season.” She agrees, New York is back.

The Sohn Hearts & Minds conference will take place on Friday.

 

This article was originally posted by The AFR here.

Licensed by Copyright Agency. You must not copy this work without permission.

 

Many years ago, Joyce Meng asked herself: how would someone design a hedge fund if they had no pre-conceived idea how a hedge fund was supposed to look?

Her FACT Capital is both the product of that curiosity, and the proof that the existing Wall Street model could be wildly improved upon.

FACT (fairness, alignment, compounding, transparency) marked the two-year anniversary of its long-short strategy in September, meaning it catapulted almost straight from inception into the COVID-19 crisis. Having returned 61.4 per cent after fees since September 2019 to the end of October 2021, Meng does not dispute it was hard work to earn her numbers.

This year, while Wall Street has broken records, about 40 per cent of FACT’s book is in China, where a policy push for common prosperity has dissuaded some foreign investors of a more skittish nature. Another 40 per cent is in US stocks and the rest of the world represents about 20 per cent.

All up, it only carries about 20 long exposures, which is how it managed to outperform with not just a preference for high conviction ideas, but hyper-specificity on every level in its preferred areas of technology, consumer and health care.

“Our approach to investing is very micro thematic in nature,” says Meng, speaking from New York ahead of her first appearance at the Sohn Hearts & Minds investment conference on Friday.

There is not a lot of value, she argues, in themes, when everything is a theme: disruption, ageing, luxury. A rising tide may lift all boats, as the saying goes, but micro themes will thrive even in low tide.

“You want to find the best house in the best neighbourhood,” she says. A theme is “useless”.

A FACT micro theme could be venture capital-backed biopharma companies that drive more outsourcing to contract research organisations and contract development and manufacturing organisations. Another is growth in Chinese cybersecurity investment. About 10 micro themes are represented in the 20 longs.

A micro theme may only capture five to 15 companies. One of her largest positions is the Nasdaq-traded ICON plc, an Irish drug and medical device development outsourcer which is up 42 per cent this year.

FACT bought in around February when it acquired PRA Health Sciences for $US12 billion when there were some doubts about the merits of the deal.

It previously owned clinical research outsourcer PPD, which was acquired by Thermo Fisher Scientific in April for $US17.4 billion in cash. From there it rotated into ICON, having already done its homework on the business. And in China, it owns the Hong Kong-listed WuXi Biologics (at least a three-bagger for the fund having backed it since inception).

With transparency in mind, her investors can log-in to FACT and see not just performance and positions, but the entire research library behind every idea, including the 100 channel checks that might sit behind a stock.

Team profit share is 20 to 25 per cent a person, made possible because of FACT’s small size.

“Our number one most important cultural value is intellectual honesty. And intellectual honesty is very specific,” Meng says.

That extends to how FACT allocates its time, by defining the scope of the stocks that it follows, enabling Meng and FACT’s analysts to make fewer but higher quality decisions and eliminate the risk of loss.

Nobody pitches internally, and the long-short strategy cannot claim a performance fee unless it generates 33 per cent over three years (meaning 10 per cent a year for three successive periods).

When it comes to arriving at a potential idea, it must first survive an exhaustive checklist that keeps the size of the portfolio necessarily tight.

“You really can focus on your time, which is your most precious resource, on areas where the hit rate on individual stock goes up because the broader neighbourhood is just seeing such strong, strong opportunities,” she says.

Growth, a favourable market structure, and strong capital allocation are the fundamentals of a good business in Meng’s mind.

FACT has about 210 companies that meet its quality growth, market structure and capital allocation criteria on file. From there, it will need a 10-year cash flow profile, “just to really understand the runway” and ensure the valuation stacks up.

Next, it needs positive earnings revisions because “stocks don’t work if earnings estimates are getting cut, if people are lowering expectations – even if it’s a good business”.

Exceptional companies can keep growing into their earnings, getting cheaper every year. She cites how WuXi added a vaccine platform to its capabilities. “Maybe TAM (total addressable market) goes up, maybe revenues go up, maybe they enter new business lines, maybe they’ve done very smart M&A.”

Those are the fruits of smart capital allocation.

On the other hand, if a stock is in a downgrade cycle it simply means the stock is more expensive than it appears at face value. Finally, when it comes to sizing, the manager evaluates forecast stability and cyclicality.

“I call models moodles. Sometimes, you could change the outcome so much, depending on your mood. So, if you have a company where there’s an incredibly wide distribution around your point estimate, it becomes very hard to have conviction.”

Meng believes that a good business is a forecastable business, so FACT does not expend much energy or capital in commodity producers. “How am I supposed to know what commodity prices, interest rates, look like three years from now? Exactly. So, no, we like forecastable businesses.”

Meng’s short portfolio might examine where FACT’s revenue estimates differ to consensus, the presence of insider selling, competitive intensity, and always, potential catalysts. She will never short on valuation grounds.

“This is a tough business, it’s incredibly humbling. We’re so grateful for this opportunity to invest. And I love this job. I feel so privileged to be able to do it. But ... we have to earn the privilege to run our LPs’ capital.”

On the topic of regulatory risk, FACT has been particularly sensitive to the political climate in China. "For investing in China, paying attention to regulation is incredibly important. One of our team members is based in Asia, all three of us are Mandarin speakers, we care very much on trying to find aligned areas of interest with the government, and we’ve lived through many regulatory cycles.

“Our view is that China is never as good as people think it is, and then it’s also never as bad as people think it is.”

With her investor’s instinct, China is too large to ignore on account of size, market depth, research and innovation, and it tends to be a helpful macroeconomic counterpoint to the US cycle. Next year, the US Federal Reserve will be tightening, while China could see looser policy and moderate stimulus.

Another micro theme the strategy has pursued is the onshoring of Chinese luxury consumption. Hainan for example, an island in southernmost China, is often compared to Hawaii for its marriage of coastline with luxury shopping. FACT owns China Tourism Duty Free, which has a monopolistic grip on the Chinese market, but whose share price has been beholden to the health of the travel industry.

Returning to the concept of intellectual honesty, when a position goes wrong, Meng says the outcome should be, “I made a mistake, let’s cut risk”. But that’s not always possible in an environment where investments are made by committee, or egos rule, she says.

“We only care about what the portfolio does, we’re only going to grow and be successful if every single one of our ideas is top notch.”

Meng is also the co-founder of Givology; as a Rhodes scholar, she wanted to “give back” in college, but didn’t have deep pockets. The platform has been innovative in its own right and similar to FACT in its selection of deliberate and purposeful causes.

FACT is based near Rockefeller Centre, home of New York City’s best Christmas tree. “We love it during the season.” She agrees, New York is back.

The Sohn Hearts & Minds conference will take place on Friday.

 

This article was originally posted by The AFR here.

Licensed by Copyright Agency. You must not copy this work without permission.

 

Disclaimer: This material has been prepared by Australian Financial Review, published on Nov 29, 2021. HM1 is not responsible for the content of linked websites or content prepared by third party. The inclusion of these links and third-party content does not in any way imply any form of endorsement by HM1 of the products or services provided by persons or organisations who are responsible for the linked websites and third-party content. This information is for general information only and does not consider the objectives, financial situation or needs of any person. Before making an investment decision, you should read the relevant disclosure document (if appropriate) and seek professional advice to determine whether the investment and information is suitable for you.

facebook
linkedin
All
Thank you! Your submission has been received!
Oops! Something went wrong while submitting the form.
March 14, 2025

$1.4 million boost for SA medical research

South Australian medical research will receive a $1.4 million cash injection, as a direct result of a major investment and philanthropy conference held in Adelaide.

Read More
Anthony Scaramucci’s time in the White House was brief but memorable. APAnthony Scaramucci’s time in the White House was brief but memorable. APAnthony Scaramucci’s time in the White House was brief but memorable. APAnthony Scaramucci’s time in the White House was brief but memorable. AP
May 19, 2025

Why ‘The Mooch’ thinks Trump is more dangerous this time around

Anthony Scaramucci says Trump has fewer constraints on his worst instincts in his second administration. But he still gets bored easily.

Read More
Image caption: Anthony “The Mooch” Scaramucci at the New York headquarters of his SkyBridge Capital last week. Picture: Jaclyn LichtImage caption: Anthony “The Mooch” Scaramucci at the New York headquarters of his SkyBridge Capital last week. Picture: Jaclyn LichtImage caption: Anthony “The Mooch” Scaramucci at the New York headquarters of his SkyBridge Capital last week. Picture: Jaclyn LichtImage caption: Anthony “The Mooch” Scaramucci at the New York headquarters of his SkyBridge Capital last week. Picture: Jaclyn Licht
May 19, 2025

My biggest mistake: Anthony Scaramucci on what makes Donald Trump tick

On Elon Musk, money and the White House, fast-talking Wall Street hedge fund manager and former Trump communications director Anthony Scaramucci tells it as he sees it.

Read More
A bull case for Bitcoin even as it trades near record levels. Picture: AFPA bull case for Bitcoin even as it trades near record levels. Picture: AFPA bull case for Bitcoin even as it trades near record levels. Picture: AFPA bull case for Bitcoin even as it trades near record levels. Picture: AFP
May 19, 2025

Bitcoin ‘on track’ for $US200,000: Anthony Scaramucci

Bitcoin could hit as much as $US200,000 ($311,000) by the end of this year, fuelled by surging inflows into exchange-traded funds and Donald Trump’s erratic policymaking.

Read More
Anthony Scaramucci says America has no choice but to lower tariffs on China further. Jaclyn LichtAnthony Scaramucci says America has no choice but to lower tariffs on China further. Jaclyn LichtAnthony Scaramucci says America has no choice but to lower tariffs on China further. Jaclyn LichtAnthony Scaramucci says America has no choice but to lower tariffs on China further. Jaclyn Licht
May 19, 2025

‘The Mooch’ says Trump will have to cut China tariffs below 10pc

Scaramucci, who is best known as The Mooch, is the first big-name global investor to be confirmed for the Sohn Hearts & Minds conference in Sydney in November.

Read More
Matthew McLennan in his office at First Eagle Investments in New York. Picture: Jaclyn LichtMatthew McLennan in his office at First Eagle Investments in New York. Picture: Jaclyn LichtMatthew McLennan in his office at First Eagle Investments in New York. Picture: Jaclyn LichtMatthew McLennan in his office at First Eagle Investments in New York. Picture: Jaclyn Licht
July 7, 2025

A golden year for Wall Street’s Australian stock picker

Matthew McLennan’s $14.5 billion position in gold bars and miners paid off handsomely for First Eagle this year. But he insists the precious metal still has room to run.

Read More
Stillpoint Investments founder and chief investment officer Eric Wong. Picture: Jaclyn LichtStillpoint Investments founder and chief investment officer Eric Wong. Picture: Jaclyn LichtStillpoint Investments founder and chief investment officer Eric Wong. Picture: Jaclyn LichtStillpoint Investments founder and chief investment officer Eric Wong. Picture: Jaclyn Licht
September 25, 2025

Stillpoint founder Eric Wong reveals major China tech investment strategy

Eric Wong will present his investment case at the Sohn Hearts & Minds conference at the Sydney Opera House on Friday, November 14.

Read More
October 1, 2025

Billionaire hedge fund manager enacts ‘little short’ on the market

Investing veteran Lord Michael Hintze says he’s taking out insurance against expensive debt and equity markets that are being propelled by passive flows.

Read More
October 1, 2025

Hedge fund guru Michael Hintze can't out-trade machines but he can still 'out-invest' them

Billionaire hedge fund manager Michael Hintze says the world is more dangerous than he has ever seen, artificial intelligence is stifling people’s ability to learn and process information.

Read More
Marathon Resource Advisors founder and chief investment officer Robert Mullin in San Francisco.Marathon Resource Advisors founder and chief investment officer Robert Mullin in San Francisco.Marathon Resource Advisors founder and chief investment officer Robert Mullin in San Francisco.Marathon Resource Advisors founder and chief investment officer Robert Mullin in San Francisco.
October 5, 2025

Marathon CIO Robert Mullin reveals why gold stocks are still undervalued

The son of a stockbroker, Mr Mullin has more than 30 years' investing experience and is chief investment officer at Marathon Resource Advisors in San Francisco, a company he founded.

Read More
First Eagle Investments co-head of global value Matthew McLennan. Picture: Jaclyn LichtFirst Eagle Investments co-head of global value Matthew McLennan. Picture: Jaclyn LichtFirst Eagle Investments co-head of global value Matthew McLennan. Picture: Jaclyn LichtFirst Eagle Investments co-head of global value Matthew McLennan. Picture: Jaclyn Licht
October 6, 2025

First Eagle’s Matthew McLennan on the monetary force that could be ‘rocket fuel’ for the Australian dollar

Matthew McLennan, the co-head of the global value team and portfolio manager at the $US161bn ($243bn) First Eagle Investments, stormed the market with a bullish bet on gold.

Read More
October 10, 2025

Anthony Scaramucci’s advice to our PM is to seek his Canadian counterpart’s counsel

Beyond Wall Street, The Mooch is better known for his cutting takes on US politics in the popular podcast The Rest is Politics: US, which he hosts with BBC’s long-term North American correspondent Katty Kay.

Read More
October 19, 2025

Munro Partners' Qiao Ma reveals AI investment strategy

Qiao Ma has a simple test for spotting the investment opportunities that will define the next decade. Take the technology apart and see what’s inside.

Read More
October 21, 2025

Meet the 2025 Conference Managers

Following a global search, the Conference Fund Manager Selection Committee is pleased to share ten new managers for 2025.

Read More
October 31, 2025

The 42pc gain that shows why Sohn is a stock picker’s delight

It turns out you could have outperformed the seemingly unstoppable magnificent seven tech stocks if you simply acted on the 11 stock picks at Sohn last year.

Read More